How much could be the cost of a Freelancer from Romania ?

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(Kilo Grammer) #124

So freelancing is much better than a stable job with guaranteed payment at the end of the month, and where you don’t have to search through jobs some of these for fintech entrepreneurs wanting to create a clone of PayPal until end of October this year?

You said there’s zero chance but there is a chance if you throw a party. I will not attend any of your parties.


(Kilo Grammer) #125

Agreed. Let’s not waste energy trying to see what are the hourly rates in Romania. Share your happiness, good will with the highly skilled Romanian developer you’ll find and hire him for $35\hr. It’s would still be very very low compared to rates in Western countries and many other places.

Namaste!


(Davask) #126

I stand for freelancing/nomad style and in a perfect world, davask will grow big enough to have different entities in the world like one in Europe and one In southwest asia (thailand, vietname, hong kong).

In that case a freelancer from Romania could tell me, I want to go in Hong Kong, and I ll say, ok I have 30h / month available in your field for that rate (rate based upon Hong Kong IT market).
If the freelancer agree, he goes, end of story (except in real life there s passport visa, personal taxes matter and so on).

Today, we are at the very beginning, I m nobody, I just have a vision and that vision is starting with romania (I actualy don t really why Romania first) and I decided to stick to romania as much as I can because if I want to be serious I need to succeed first within one community and tomorrow maybe two or three, maybe all europe and then asia but still this is a vision not a reality (yet)

Short answer the rate is based upon the country you live in, not which nationality you have except that today I work only within EU as I believe it is better to pay our taxes in our beautiful union.


(Davask) #127

I did not say fuck, I said “fuck up”, I don t know what you put in “fuck up” personaly it is “drank”.


(Davask) #128

:grinning:


(Davask) #129

Do not agree, and do not reflect Romanian market as I know it today.


(Kilo Grammer) #130

Every disagreement is the path start of a journey which led to an agreement


(Davask) #131

this guy is not meant to work with me then but he is welcome anytime if he realize that my approach could serve him or help him.


(Davask) #132

Join my agreement my friend :slight_smile:


(Davask) #133

To all of you, thanks for participating, I hope one day I can organize an event in Romania so you can all come join me and discuss about the freelance/nomad status in Europe and how to make it more knowledgeable by politics.
I wish you a very good week end and talk to you in 2 or 3 weeks.

Meanwhile think thick think Fair2Win


(Razvan) #134

I know people that are earning more money as would they earn as employee. Some of them have good reviews on different freelancing platforms and some of them have a good relationship with previous customers. From what I understood from them, are busy all the time and sometime they have to decline new projects.
But they got so far because of the quality of their work.

On the other hand, as a employee you have some benefits(offered by the company and by the government) that you don’t have as a freelancer “by default”. Also you have a sort of a job security, etc.

This topic is going nowhere and it should be ended after RedGuard’s comment.
@davask . I think you spent to much time arguing and trying to change people’s mind on obscure forums(like this one) instead of working towards implementing your vision.

my 2c


(Davask) #135

@razvanp you do your way, I do mine, nobody is force to discuss with me but apparently this topic is interesting enough to get 134 post, even you participate.
And do you really think that this forum is so obscure ?
What are you doing here then ?
my 2c

Uplifting a topic is good, the rest is noise, do not make noises


(Kilo Grammer) #136

I agree with you you here. My point was it’s not a rule that freelancing is better.

I think there’s always some interesting little nuggets in every discussion no matter how small talk appears to be.


#137

In the company I work for, a junior makes about 20 eur / hour gross + benefits, as a full time employee. A mid dev makes about 26 eur / hour, a senior about 30 - 31, an architect about 36 - 38 and a dev manager about 44.


(Davask) #138

Which company ? or which city ?


#139

@davask you arogant prick. You are the kind of guy that brings the fares down and profit on others work. I realy hope you never find a developer to work with.
You come here asking a question and when the answers dont satisfy you, you start telling people that they are wrong, becouse they are romanians ( that us just racist), and that they should charge less?

Please just leave and never come back. The industry does not need people like you.


#140

Bucharest.


#141

I’ve been reading almost all posts during several days but I see no real job around this chat and I would ask davask if he has something real to offer and see if tlhe gets any freelancer. It’a free market, if there is a business to be done, let’s hear a firm proposal, otherwise it looks like waste of time


(Davask) #142

You might want to read my first paragraph on my first post.
This is not a job offer, this is a discussion I have with my partners about rate of freelancers in romania to adjust the rate I pay to reality and after this discussion they doesn t seems to complain and they know they can t talk to me otherwise.
When I have a project offer, I submit one.


(Georgiana Gligor) #143

Those are full-time employee rates, not freelancer ones.

Please keep in mind a couple of things:

  • a freelancer has periods when they don’t work (so-called “between projects”); in this time they may be sick, they might learn a new technology, go to a developer conference, etc, but don’t get paid
  • an employee’s skillset might be less diverse than that of a freelancer (they may only do backend and get away with it), while typically freelancers deliver a full product (frontend, backend, devops, maintenance, optimisation, etc)

Actually a lot of people (including @iamntz) wrote extensively about the topic, but the conclusion is that it’s not fair to compare a full time employee’s hourly rates with the freelancer ones.